Wednesday, 14 January 2009

Hit That

"Well it winds up
Broken up
Really such a shame
But why not
Take a chance
Everything's a game
And it don't stop
Hooking up
Nothing's gonna change"
The Offspring- Hit That

I think its 2am, i have stopped caring, and time has ceased to exist, and now just crashes in a blur of papers, educational videos in languages i fail to comprehend, and endless research on the internet. I think last time i watched a full tv program was 2 weeks ago.

As an iraqi, you are told don't even think of staying here and studying.

I still want to though.

More stupid talking of how iraq might be spilt up. Stupid Biden. Stupid Patriosm. Because of a lack of voice of obambee about gaza, iraqis naturally have lost their faith. Suddenly the old men in the tea cafes have began to realise the jewish roots of obamee the wicked. Yes, he is on holiday in Israel. Yes, Iraq will be split.
Momentarilly i have given up arguing for the voice of reason. I'm just going to let the tidal wave of anger and depression of Iraq hit me face on.

Forget that, I changed my mind, Iraq does have hope. Really Really. I am probably going to end up screaming non stop at the next depressed person I speak to, who spews up some more whinings. Maybe I dont want to be realistic. I am in living in the same country as you, and yes i heard the bombs, and the shooting. Yes, i do realise every iraqi intimatley knows generator mechanics. Yes, that yellow liquid is water. I actually feel tempted to drink it to end such conversations...

Instead of spending more nights thinking while staring at the ceiling (I would win an olympic gold medal for it), I am going to make a list, with positives and negatives. Because everything keeps changing and I struggle to keep up

Choice number 1:where to finish high school/secondary school/college

-BIS (good-close, no need to move, family, familiarity. bad-bombings, unknown syllabus)

-Amman Baccaleaurate School (good-has a volleyball team. bad-students)

-Halab International School (good-syrias social life. bad-syrias social life)

-Undecided Sixth Form/College(UK) (good-teaching. bad-everyone's taller than me)

Choice number 2:where to go to university

-One of the Baghdad universities (good-i get to say "i went to baghdad university". bad-dress and moral code)

-One of the UK universities (good-politically active student unions. bad-ridiculous fees. In all fairness, i can comfortably live off the fees in iraq for many a years)

-One of the Amman universities (good-teaching. bad-parents prefer uk/german university)

-One of the German universities (good-large enough to lose yourself in forever. bad-my german skills are nowhere near good enough)

Hmmmmmmm, of course, i can just start my own gang, start more sectarian violence, and live off the dirty money i make in a luxury house. *Picks up klashnikov*


C.H. said... Touta, I agree. I can't stand Biden. His comments about dividing Iraq angered me, and obviously many Iraqis. Eye Raki summed it up best, by saying that Biden believes Iraqis are "uncivilized monsters". He wasn't any better during the debates...I'm not sure if you were able to see them. I found his comments suggesting that Iraqis are incapable of forming a democratic society to be racist and misguided.

As for Obama, have a look at my blog. I posted some photos from a Hamas rally in Iran, and protesters are burning photos of Obama and driving over them with cars! After all this talk about how Bush is to blame for everything happening in Iran, it doesn't look like things will be much different under Obama (Not that they were any different under Clinton, Reagan, or Carter either).

OK, enough of politics. When was the last time you were in the UK to look at a school? I think that would be the most exciting choice, but then again, going to school in the Middle East would be equally great. I hear that Germany is also wonderful, my uncle got back from a trip to Berlin last year and spoke very highly of it.

I guess you can consider yourself lucky no matter what :D

geatg said...

Iraqis worried about Gaza/Palestinians..weird that was not as I left them :D
Anything not Iraqi schools/universities is good, but I guess, keeping money for foreign college studies is better.

Good luck


hiii touta, relax. we've still got hope in iraq's future but as for yours collect opinions and ur parents' advice with those advantages and disadvantages to decide which is better for you.
and try to see all baghdad.
wish you luck.

pepe said...

touta, i think you should consider how important a college degree is in what you want to do in your life. for example, if you want to develop computers, you don't need to go to the best university to be successful. in fact you don't even need a degree for that. steve jobs, founder of apple inc (iphone maker) dropped out in the first semester and is the biggest in his field. on the other hand, if you want to be a brain surgeon, then most doors will be closed for you if you don't attend a reputable university.
steve jobs gave a great commencement speech at stanford university about his choices in life, i think you would enjoy it:

Jeffrey said...


Suddenly the old men in the tea cafes have began to realise the jewish roots of obamee the wicked. Yes, he is on holiday in Israel. Yes, Iraq will be split. Momentarilly i have given up arguing for the voice of reason. I'm just going to let the tidal wave of anger and depression of Iraq hit me face on.

One of the largest contrasts between Iraqis and Americans is the pessimism and culture of complaint among Iraqis and the optimism of the Americans. Over the last five years I've seen it time and again. Americans believe that they can accomplish whatever they put their minds to (and have done so on many occasions), while I often notice that Iraqis focus on why they can't accomplish something.

What do you think? I could be wrong, but I have noticed this basic difference in Iraqis and Americans.


Touta said...

Well, that is true, i would be lucky no matter where i end up

ahoooo, iraqis are all humanitarian these days. Teaching at foreign ones may be more better, but you have to admit you will not find such a cool environment as in iraqi colleges. :)

thank you mean see all of baghdad's colleges? or as in shops and souks? :D
But these days what is wiya all the traffic?

thank you that was helpful, i do know what i want to study, but i dont know what i want to work with the degree if you get what i mean.I love science, i love humanities, and i want to be competent in whatever i do, but ultimatley i want to work in iraq.

well, yes, summary of the generations:

very old-monarchy types, secular, ignore their surroundings and live their life.

old people-patriotic, want the best for iraq, military coups, loyalty, traditional but not very religious

middle aged-suffered under saddam, angry, keep changing their opinions.One minute they curse iraq, the next minute they lecture you on loving your country.

young adults- emotional, very depressed, like to talk about sunnis/shias/kurds and other sectaranism. lived through the violence of current war, and lived through saddam.

My age-either work obsessed or obsessed with flirting. See money as the important thing in life. Ambitious. Most didn't know sunni/shia thing until after the war and this *does* include shias, not just sunnis as someone is bound to claim.

And seriously, what did you expect...iraq has put up with saddam and wars. Can you really compare iraqis to americans? i mean really?
In my opinion, countries and their history are like humans, they all pass through certain phases.
Naturally,depending on the environment and resources, each one turns out different, but eventually all will reach a certain blissful basically what i am saying, is iraq needs time to be rebuilt, and for a successful rebuilding, you need a successful education. The education system here is flawed at best, and so this means for those who want to help rebuild, more stress with self study etc etc.:)

C.H. said...


You are right about countries going through different phases, but I also believe that Americans have had their own experiences too. I think that most of Americans alive today (particularly my generation) are incapable of understanding what goes on in the world...they are too concerned with their everyday lives. Many take for granted the fact that they can get on a bus without a bomb going off, like so many Iraqis, Israelies, Sri Lankans, etc. worry about every single day.

But think of everything America has gone through in order to become the country it is today. We were ruled by a brutal dictatorship, fought a long, bloody war to free ourselves, faced years of near anarchy as a government was formed, faced a second invasion from the former dictatorship, a devastating civil war, global wars to defend our allies, the great depression, the civil rights movement, etc. etc. America has not always been a sheltered country, that's for sure.

It is so complicated, really. I don't know about you, but I have had enough of complicated politics! Okay, let's completely forget about nation states and just form one harmonious world, with diverse groups of people who respect each others religions and cultures and are eager to learn more :D

ha, if only! Its worth trying for though.

khalid jarrar said...


BIS: i hope still good teaching, and least disgusting students among all the other options, and you get to stay in iraq, big plus.

and then AUC, great education, very active students unions and activities, its in cairo so thats super itself, not insanely expensive but still very fancy. There is a fairly satisfying social and political life, egyptians are nice.

forget about jordan, forget about UK and Germany, jordan all together is a hateful place to be, germany and uk is too expensive and not you will be a stranger always.

khalid jarrar said...
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khalid jarrar said...

Oh, and..


**puts on a wise-man face and personality, puts her on a couch to be as tall as he is, looks her straight in the eye, and in a deep, calm voice, comes his words** :

yes dear... there IS hope.

**puts off the face and personality, puts pjs back on** :

oh and about that secret... ? :D

madtom said...

You just have to laugh. Hey I thought you guys wanted peace.. Hooray for Bambee

Jeffrey said...


Nice analysis of the different Iraqi generations. I recall writing several years ago that it was going to take time for Iraqis to shake off having lived under Saddam's tyranny, where reality and propaganda were so at odds with each other. That will mess up anyone's mind.


C.H. said...

The generations are one thing, but you also need to take into consideration Iraq's different regions and how Saddam treated the people there.

After 2003, a number of Iraqis in Anbar/Mosul retained loyalty to their deposed leader because they felt he had taken care of them during his rule. However, in the south, and of course, in Kurdistan, many Iraqis detested Saddam and celebrated his removal from power. Obviously, this is understandable, considering Saddam tried to wipe Kurdistan off the face of the Earth, and burned down the holy city of Karbala in a bloody act of ethnic cleansing.

Touta, I know you were only a baby at the time (I wasn't much older, lol) but what have you learned about how Baghdad's Shiite population feels about the 1991 uprising? The time the brave Iraqis who resisted Saddam Hussein (14 of Iraq's 18 provinces) were abandoned, and subsequently, the assault on Karbala began.

I have always believed this is a major issue used by people like Al-Sadr and Khamenei to attract followers, a way to prove the US is untrustworthy, since Bush Sr. decided to abandon the Iraqi people in their time of need.

dave said...

ok i'm bias having gone to a Sixth Form in the UK (and loved it) and having a dad who works at a Sixth Form college, but I vote that. Altho the Amman volleyball team does sound tempting.

My friend is the same with not liking that everybody was taller than her lol, I think she was 5ft 3. (but claimed she was 5ft 4) She got over it, kind of, although now she feels odd speaking to people our age that are smaller than her. I guess you can't win.

In terms of Unis I want to say UK Uni but I can understand how fees would put you off. I have lived with three German flatmates over my time at Uni and they seemed nice enough, might be a good sign :P. The only Uni in the Middle East I know of is in Damascus from somebody i knew who went there, they liked it but are a slightly strange person.

Well best go back up to Birmingham to hand in essays - one on Anti-Americanism and the other on U.S. Foreign Policy in the Middle East woo!

I hope you are well.

Touta said...

true true, i hope it just takes less violence for iraq to fully develop. And i think that for iraq to improve, we need to stop vomiting the past and think of the future and what we can do *now* to improve the situation.

thats what put me off jordan- the atomsphere and students. UK and Germany-money money and not fitting in, so your advice has been helpful thanks. :D
oh,and 165cm is not *that* short-i am now officially tallest female in extended family...**goes to wear 60's style platforms**

we *DO* want peace- what gave you the impression that we didn't?


I started sixth form in the UK and the learning was fun, i think i'm 5ft5. well near enough anyway *falls off platforms*.
I applied to birmingham university! Those essays sound...'interesting'. :D

Lynnette In Minnesota said... will be a stranger always. Khalid

What a sad thought. Touta is the kind of person that could build bridges...


A very interesting overview of the different generations. All colored by their experiences.

Have you ever thought of trying for a Fullbright scholarship, like Morbid Smile did?

I know of someone else who was considering Egypt. However, he was in Jordan, last I heard. He had transferred in the middle of his higher education program and had problems with getting credit for classes already taken in Iraq. Of course that wouldn't be a problem for you if you start at the school you graduate from.

Touta said...

I intend to build bridges, so far my life experience has taught me in the end we are all humans's too short to pick out differences, but what i think khalid meant is that perhaps i will be a stranger to the cultural difference? i.e.i wont have a social life-no clubbing or pubs for me lol. :D
Its a generic overview, basic and flawed but thats my thinking in a nutshell. :)
Thanks for the advice.

C.H. said...

What? All this time in the UK and you have never plan to visit a club or a pub? Hahaha

Just kidding ;)

When I visited Dublin (I was there 3 weeks), my friend insisted that the most important things to see were the pubs, lol!

madtom said...

Well I don't know, what a way to start a new relationship with the incoming President, Obama, by calling him names, "wicked jew" and "Bambee". Maybe I'm just not reading that right but, that doesn't sound like the beginning of a new page of peace and cooperation?

Praise Obama

Hey on another topic, you know I just found your blog, so I might have missed it. Could you explain what "Fog el Nakhal" and "Touta" mean?

madtom said...

I almost forgot to ask, have you considered coming to the US to advance your education?

Miss Violet said...

Touta, My friend!
here or there or anywhere i'm sure you are gonna be a great one and make the right choice.
so.. please don't worry about the college and what u are gonna study or where . just depend on God:). haven't you heard of the the proverb said : what is written on the forehead is what the eye will see . hhh.
stay safe and I wish you all luck:):)

Miss Violet said...

I think there are too many thing in Dublin are worthy to visit than the pubs and clubs .. the historic sites , the nature ,every thing !!lol.
If I was there the first thing I would do is to meet Westlife, then i'll think of visiting every where there..hhhhh

moonlight said...

Don't lose hope Touta :) I can't even begin to imagine the condition in Iraq but hopefully things will get better not worse, with prayers of Iraqis everywhere, hopefully our country won't be split. And as for chosing where to go to University good luck with making that choice, and if you end up deciding on going to the UK, I'm sure you're not short compared to people in Iraq so just keep reminding yourself that :D. That's how I survive my shortness.

As for your last post, you made me laugh so hard, it sounds alot like me and my older sister and the first time I attempted to make rice. It turned out much to soft because everyone kept telling me I didn't have enough water so I put more and more and well...I ended up putting to much and it tasted a little mushy :D.
Keep you're humor in sight.

Allah wiyach

Touta said...

*hangs head in shame*

old people are always going to be less...erm accepting of others, and this applies to all nationalities..iraqi elders don't differ much, they are extremely tolerant, but that doesnt stop them from criticising most politicians from obama to sarkozy.

Fog el nakhal literally means 'over the palm tree', and its the name of a very famous and old iraqi folk song, on my music bear, there is a jazzy version of it-its the 1st song. :D
touta is my nickname. :) as for education in US, i was suggested this by parents etc, but geographically it would be too far from everyone-being completely alone in a country that size, and i have never lived there, so i have no idea of culture etc. :)

Miss violet,
I forgot that saying, but i must admit i love it, and its true!! But, its hard to see what's written on your forehead without a mirror. :D Hope you all the best, and westlife..hehehe, good taste. :D

madtom said...

There is no culture in the US, it all depends on the area you are in, If you come here to study at University of Miami, you'll find Cuban-American culture, though with the resent influx of many people from Central and South America that is changing a little. For instance, if you go to the parks on the weekend, everyone is playing soccer, instead of Football, or Baseball, those are becoming more rear everyday.

khalid jarrar said...

**passes by, sawwa roo7a ma shaf Touta, kept walking...**

C.H. said...


MadTom is right in certain aspects...America is a huge country, with so many different identities. I myself have only had the opportunity to live in the northeast and the west coast (I have visted Flordia, DC, etc), and even in those different locations, I was shocked at how different it all is.

Here in California, we have a lot of latino culture, and in Los Angeles, we have the largest Iranian population outside of Iran! In San Francisco, you would be amazed at the size of China town. I like to vist a lot :D

We are a nation of many great cultures and many great people. If you ever did come here, you can have faith that you would be warmly welcomed :)

*not that I am trying to influence you in any way :D

khalid jarrar said...


anybody saw any wicked sofa trashers? :O somebody trashed my sofa! police reports said something about an iraqi girl storming out of the scene talking to her self loudly and yelling: WHAT DOES HE MEAN HE CANT SEE ME! THERE ARE A HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE BLOODY CENTIMETERS OF ME THERE! MEN!!

"or something along these lines", police report stated.

Touta said...

that is a shame, i think it would be great if there was a mixture of lively cultures all living together. as for sport *goes stares at tv screen*. I miss sport. :D

that is good to i wont fall for you propaganda!! hhhh, but one day, i would have to visit a) canada, i dont believ such snow could exist b) michigan-apparently its filled with 'gangster iraqis' c)peru for the nature/culture

a) police are men-therefore cannot be know this!!
b) *rips report* what report?

Dave said...

5ft 5 isn't that small at all, i'm sure 5ft 7 is like supposed to be average. All my friends who are girls are around 5'5 i think. Well if you do decide to go to Birmingham University (or just want to know any more about it) then let me know as I can give you loads of information on student life etc. You probably know a fair bit about demographics, campus etc already tho.

The essays are fun lol, although subjects like U.S. Foreign Policy or Margaret Thatcher are in some ways harder because emotions can get the better of you and that makes for an entertaining, but bad paper.

madtom said...

Not sure I understand you last comment?
There cant be a place in the world with more diverse culture than Miami. What I said was that there was not a distinct US culture, and that here it was mostly Cuban American. But this blog does not have enough room to list all the cultures that live here in Miami.

That's of course if you don't count McDonalds as culture, american or otherwise.

C.H. said...

"police are men-therefore cannot be know this!!"



If this is a problem, perhaps you should rethink your plans to go to a university and become an Iraqi Policewoman instead ;)

Touta's potential future

More than 500 women are going to be trained as police officers next month :D

Hmmmm...what do you think?

Windingstad said...

Nice blog you've got here. Lots of interesting reads!

As for you education: Germany is nice, and with no fees it's bound to be way cheaper than GB. But wherever you choose to study in Europe, you could always look for a degree taught in English. For example, you could also check out the Netherlands.

Good luck, anyway, with everything! With greetings from Norway...

Caesar of Pentra said...

Till this moment, I don't know where do u live exactly and what school/college u r studying?
Anyway, good luck whereever you go.

Miss Violet said...

Yes, dear i'm glad you love that saying coz it's true and glad to to know that I was the mirror which reminded you of it :D. and about your height I suffer from the same problem; when I pass the time with friends in college they are ALL taller than me . even one of them calls me (penguin) .hhhhh . but i don't care as long as I have faith ,principles , my people and my dreams . they are worthy to make me taller than all of them :D:D. wish you luck and don't let this matter affect your dreams and achievements:)
love from Violet.

Touta said...

'entertaining but bad paper', i always find essays with emotion and outbursts are more funny.. :D thanks

oh, i thought you meant no culture, its good to hear that, miami is in florida? so west coast..hmmmmm
and as for mcdonalds..*shudder* i'm not looking forward to the inevitable...that is sudden mcdonalds/strbucks opening everywhere.. i don't need another excuse to be lazy.

hahaha, lol. Funny, and we definatley need more female police checkpoints, females get held up longest because there's no way to check for explosives properley.

wow norway! thanks for the advice, and i am glad that you can see a perspective of living here.
greetings and best wishes from baghdad!:)

*cough stalker*
i live east side of baghdad, (hint:blue sky restaurant) and i am not studying at one school as such...

thank you for being my mirror! :D
hahaha, thank yuo that cheered me up! here i am not so short compared to people, but abroad..ahooo they would call me and you mice not penguins! :D

pepe said...

hi touta, just saw on cnn a housing project called "american village", do you know it? i checked their site ( and it says: "The Khanzad American Village’s choice location is strategically in one of the most promising areas of Kurdistan, a country with incredible potential." there is an youtube video too: apparently they consider kurdistan another country already.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...


...but what i think khalid meant is that perhaps i will be a stranger to the cultural difference?

I think you will find that kind of adjustment to be inherent in any move or visit. As others have pointed out, even in the States there is not really any one culture. Just moving from state to state can be a big adjustment. We are truly a melting pot.

After Katrina, my state, Minnesota, offered to house people who were left homeless. We found that for some strange reason *cough* *cough* *snow*, they were kind of reluctant. But it wasn't just the weather that was a change for those who did come here. The transplants from New Orleans found that Minnesotans were not always, well, as ready to dance and party as they were used to. In short, we can be kind of "stuffed shirts" at times. :D Or maybe we are a little shy... :)

Anyway, I can understand your reluctance to travel so far away from your homeland and your family and friends. I think all of those who have come here, Zeyad, Bassam, Omar, and Morbido, have found it a little difficult at times.

But, maybe some day you will come for a visit. :) You will be welcome.

Btw, I see Caesar didn't let any grass grow under his feet. :P Gotta watch out for that guy. He's quick. lol!

madtom said...

No, Florida is on the east coast. Miami is on the south eastern tip of the peninsula. My family is from Cuba, just scroll the map down a little, from the province of Matanzas

khalid jarrar said...

"Till this moment, I don't know where do u live exactly and what school/college u r studying?
Anyway, good luck whereever you go."

seriously, Creasar, Havent you had Stalker 101? Stalking For Dumbies? anything at all? this is not how you go about doing it daawg!

Jeffery, could you give him some tips please?

**laughs so hard**

hay ani shgad la2eem?!

programmer craig said...

-Undecided Sixth Form/College(UK) (good-teaching. bad-everyone's taller than me)

Lol. You should come to Southern California! I took a class last semester just for fun (I'm older than Jeffrey I think!) and most the students didn't even come up to my chin! And that's the guys! And I'm only 6 feet tall. Californians are short these days.

programmer craig said...

I posted some photos from a Hamas rally in Iran, and protesters are burning photos of Obama and driving over them with cars! After all this talk about how Bush is to blame for everything happening in Iran, it doesn't look like things will be much different under Obama

Corey you might be interested in this article:

Those surveyed were asked for the two most important issues facing Iran today and 45% of respondents said unemployment and poverty.

One per cent said hostile relations with the United States and a similar number said lack of democracy or need for political reform.

Those people doing all the "protests" and the "Death to America" chants are mostly Basij, a large citizen militia organized under the Revolutionary Guard Corps. Doesn't really mean much, except that somebody in the Government decided it was time to send Obama a message :)

Touta said...

i don't mind kurdistan having a scotland like independence, but being their own country? Too much. :)

hahaha, who doesn't like snow?!
And thank you.
*sigh* iraqi guys are the reason that there is no grass anymore!!Nothing to do with water shortages at all. :D

From now, i will place a map of the world on the desk. Suprisingly i do know where cuba and haiti is but i would have difficulty pointing out new york.In all fairness one is a country, the other a city. And if you don't mind me you miss cuba a lot, or does the melting pot thing rule out homesickness?

*falls off chair laughing*
yes, you 'daawgs' go teach each other the proper way. hhhhhhh yes, kulish la2eem, bas ani more...(blue sky=next to police academy) *cough* :D

programmer craig,
Or you could just be exceptionally tall. :D 'only 6 feet'?!
I'm going to stick to the good old middle east with the average height of 155cm...(5 feet ish)

JG said...

Jeffery, could you give him some tips please?


madtom said...

No I don't mind. I was born here in the US, so no I don't miss it. But here in Miami it's like Cuba lite. During the years we were able to bring most of my immediate family out, grandparents, aunts and uncles, so I grew up with most our family here, a few of them are spread out around the world, and I have a few aunts and uncles and some cousins still living in Cuba. Some of them could not get out, and some would not leave. Needless to say they have suffered the full brunt of the revolution.

Touta said...

Cuba lite. Lol. :D
Everywhere that i lived in didn't have a particular iraqi or even arab community, and so homesickness inevitably creeped in.
Isn't there a new 'revolution' in cuba though under raoul castro?

madtom said...

Do you think there would have been a new Iraq under Uday?
No the situation is more dire than ever after they were hit by three hurricanes, the state repression is more than ever and people have less than they have ever had. Today Cuba's poverty is so pervasive they only beat out Haiti by a hair. And now it seems that everyone is against them, after the US started intercepting the rafters and returning them to the island, today we get less than a hundred or so a month from smuggling, they started crossing to Mexico, which for a fee would allow them to passage to the US boarder. But no more, the Mexican government now captures them and deports them back. No way out.

Touta said...

Hmmmm, uday would have probably been beaten up by all the women he wronged. Qusay was in line for power, and you're absolutley right, things would not havee been better under him, but raoul is pretty old too right? and from what i can guess he has no family? if soo, every dog has his day
And when you say everyone's against them, i can see what you mean. The media has started portraying cuba in a better position because raoul has allowed mobiles, and all of a sudden all the other problems are forgotten. or is that reasoning flawed?.

madtom said...

Yes they allowed mobiles, but you have to have a family here in Miami to buy you the mobile and then to pay the bills. It's really a form of extortion, not exactly a great opening. And yes he's old and a drunkard, but I guess there is good news. In recent weeks they have been dressing fidelito, fidels oldest in his fathers olive green uniform, something he's never worn before, and parading him around. As a matter of fact dressed in this way he actually looks a lot like his father when he was a young man. You can draw your own conclusions.

But you see it's the old communist trick, make a little opening, like mobiles,a dn them you can claim that you are opening up, they have also been releasing old movies that were produced by student film makers, many of which were only seen once on the island and have been put away ever since, because they had hidden political messages. Some are very well done and you have to think carefully to see the politics, and or descent in them. But for years they were locked away, but now raul is releasing them to the outside world. Not in country, only outside. That way they can point to these movies and claim that they were always open to political descent and say you see these old movies prove that we had a strong student movements that were allowed free expression. The media eats its it up and reports rauls new Cuba.

Can I ask where you heard about Cuba?

Touta said...

Well, i spent most of my childhood in iraq, and as i got older, i kept wondering why there was 'good' countries and 'bad' ones. As soon as i got to the UK, i found modern books and news, which i could follow and make my own decisions, and so i read and read and learnt of cuba, che, sykes-picot agreement, six day war et etc. :D

madtom said...

No doubt any agreements with the French have to be bad.

Can I ask which version of Che you read, the iconic hero, or the psychotic murderer? Because you know there are the two versions, it depends some of both stories that are conflicting, but both can be true in a way. To us here the psychotic killer part of his life sort of overshadows the rest, as we were the targets of that murder.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

iraqi guys are the reason that there is no grass anymore!!Nothing to do with water shortages at all. :D Touta

ROTFL! Good one!


Do you think the US should open up more to Cuba? Do you think that would encourage change for the better there?

madtom said...

I think it's bad timing. Not a bad idea, I have supported lifting the embargo in the past. But I think the time passed when that could be used for good. Now it would only save the regime. I would though, reverse Bush's Cuba policy, I would reopen the family visits and remittances, and close down the lucrative direct sales, and re-impose the ban on shipping and stop the US drilling for oil in the Cuban Gulf zone, and the US Geological surveys that make that drilling possible.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

Thanks, Madtom. I am not as familiar with the situation with Cuba as I should be.

Hmmm, yes I can see where the drilling for oil may not be such a good idea.

I also agree that family visits should be resumed. That was needlessly unfair.